Thinking about hell…

Lately I’ve been reading ‘The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life’ by Fr. Charles Arminjon, and have now begun the section on hell. And it’s got me thinking…

What is time even like in an eternal hell?

Fr. Arminjon makes the point that if hell is not eternal, but only a temporary punishment before joining the saints in heaven for eternity, then it’s of no real consequence or threat. A temporary hell makes no dent in the sinner’s eternal bliss, even if it were a billion years long, and those in hell could comfort themselves that their sin was worth it to get what they wanted, when they wanted. Ultimately, rebellion against God and obedience to God would achieve the same eternal end.

This got me thinking, what does the passing of time feel like in the context of eternity? When there’s a change coming up, we feel time as how close we are to that change. With no end to hell, what concept of time could there be? What difference does it make, and so what does it mean, to have been there for ten, twenty, a hundred, or a million years? Time seems to collapse into meaninglessness. I imagine something similar can sometimes happen to those given a life sentence, although even then, there is the end brought by death…

Or is there change, and therefore time, in hell? Perhaps there is change within the person, but not in the environment… Perhaps the type or intensity of punishment changes…

I imagine those in hell would find eternity itself another torture, as impatience tries to grasp at something, and achieve some kind of progress. ‘Gnashing of teeth’ seems to express this impatience very well to me.

Heaven’s eternity must be different… No impatience for one thing, firstly because we’ll be perfect, and secondly, we’ll have everything we ever desired in full. I wonder if there is change in Heaven? If not, it is not because we have only one moment for the rest of forever, but because the fullness of time will be ever present to us, as it is to God. I believe we’ll be co-creative with God in Heaven, and so there must be some kind of change, though perhaps, like God, our creativity will occur in changing time, while we ourselves are not constrained by time…

 

If it weren’t for hell, would I have given up?

I think pretty much everyone is tempted to despair at some point. Hell makes sin an absolute decision. If I hadn’t been warned about eternal punishment in hell, would I have accepted both sin and punishment as inevitable parts of my inevitable journey to Heaven? I think I might have… I’m naturally pretty lazy and pretty short-sighted in my decisions (I’m working on this).

These days, I know I don’t enjoy sin even when I’m sinning, and hate being separated from God for any amount of time. But would I have learnt to love God and hate sin for themselves, if I hadn’t known of the eternal consequences?

I suppose if I could have seen God clearly enough, and so seen sin clearly enough too, I would have… I think the issue is, I wouldn’t see either of these realities, because I’d be too caught up with the finite realities of pleasure and pain in each action. I need to look to the infinite reality in each of my actions, and pointing forward to the time when that’s all that’s left of them seems to be a pretty good method of doing this.

 

If anyone is lost, does God not lose? How will God then be ‘all in all’?

The Father Almighty desires all to be saved (2 Pet 3:9, 1 Tim 2:4), and that at the end of time, He shall be ‘all in all’ (1 Cor 15:28), with all things subject to Him. So if anyone at all goes to hell, has God failed? Has God not got His desire? Is it enough for God that some things to be subject to His justice, but not His mercy?

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My question isn’t whether eternal damnation is just, but whether it is good and glorious enough to be befitting of God and His creation at the fulness of time?

There is a common theological explanation of hell today, that says that those in hell choose to be there, in their rejection of God, and that this privation is the pain of hell. C.S. Lewis, for example, said that the gates of hell are locked from the inside. This works nicely to shift the blame away from God, but it means some eternally refuse to bend the knee and submit to God at all. I think it would be better, and kinder too, if those in hell loved and desired God, even though they could not have Him.

This question really has me stumped…

 

If you have any answers, thoughts, comments or questions, please comment or, better yet, write a post about it. I think we don’t talk enough about hell. I don’t mean that we should start threatening people with fire and worms, but it is too important to ignore, and we are far too ignorant. What’s more, I think we seem on the one hand, incoherent, believing in both mercy and hell, and on the other hand, like we don’t really believe at all, because we seem to quietly ignore the scary or inconvenient parts.

Thanks for reading, and God bless you!

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11 comments

  1. The thing which got me on this post, was, “Can we love and desire God and not have Him?” To me that seems impossible. I do not think people in hell neither “love” nor “desire” Him. For one to go to hell (in my way of thinking) one has to totally reject God. Example: The two thieves on the cross. One rejected Jesus, the other wanted to simply be remembered by Him. One went to hell, the other Jesus took with Him to Paradise.

    If we “love” and “desire” God, God is going to come to us. At that moment we have the choice to embrace or reject Him. To me, it is that choice right there, which is going to send us to heaven or hell. God does not reject us until He has to make the judgment call.

    I am not saying at times when we want to do things our own way, that God will not say, “Okay you want your way have it.” To me He sits very quietly in these moments. When we turn back to Him, He turns back to us. If we choose never to “desire” Him again, then there is no choice but to accept what He is going to do with us for an eternity.

    I do not believe hell is glorious nor befitting of God. To me hell is befitting of “sin,” and eternal damnation because of it. God does not desire hell nor for one soul to be there. But sin on the other hand craves and yearns for hell.

    Hell has not so much to do with the “glory or befitting” of God. Hell is God’s “justice” for sin. I mean He cannot stand it, He could not even look at His own Son on the Cross because of it.

    God has done all He can do for us, regarding sin and hell. It is called the Cross. We accept it or reject it. The rest of it is up to us. If we reject the Cross then we reject God, and when we reject God, He rejects us, and our souls end up in eternal damnation because His “justice” demands it. Make sense????

    Good post and God Bless, SR

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    1. I think you’re right, it is impossible. I don’t think we can love or desire God unless we already have Him, and if we do, I don’t think He can resist.
      But that’s just the problem- if hell isn’t befitting of God, then it seems God doesn’t have the last word, and His victory is incomplete.
      Thanks, God bless you too!

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      1. Okay let us try this then, see what you think. Hell is “befitting” of an “aspect” of God, His “justice.” Now when a soul reaches God and He sends it to hell, will not God then have the “last word?” That is the very last time this soul is ever going to hear or see God. What do you think? Great post for thought here. Love and God Bless, SR

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      2. I think I made an error Ignatius, as I truly believe this was sent to me by the Holy Spirit.

        It is not about God having the “last word,” it is about God fulfilling and being true to His Word. When He sends one to hell God is fulfilling and being true to His Word regarding sin.

        Do you think this is correct? Just need some confirmation here. Love and God Bless, SR

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      3. Excellent way to put it. I like the whole concept of your thoughts with this reply.

        I think through the wisdom of the Holy Spirit and us being open to what He was trying to show us we got it!!!!

        I really enjoyed this and the whole thought process. Love and God Bless, SR

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  2. Good Afternoon Ignatius,

    I just took a quick look at Pere Arminjon, in particular his writing about the Jews. He has the wrong end of the stick, not least in treating ‘the Jews’ as if they were one massive conspiracy against the Church and humanity. Not so, of course. just look around.

    As for Hell, we should be focused on Heaven! We are made for Heaven, when all’s said and done, not for Hell. As for how anyone else’s story unfolds – not for us to know the workings of their inmost hearts, but there’s a long-standing tradition that Jesus went looking for Judas, after their deaths. Have a look here: https://wordpress.com/stats/insights/agnellusmirror.wordpress.com .

    WIll.

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    1. His ideas on “the Jews” doesn’t surprise me, partly because of when and where he lived, but also because of his manner of treating things. I’m finding him difficult because of this manner, but the book has a lot of good stuff amongst a lot of difficult stuff, and is highly recommended, so I persevere.
      I absolutely agree, but Jesus did give us warnings about gehenna and outer darkness and stuff, and we can’t ignore Him.
      That sounds like a beautiful tradition, but you need to correct your link :)

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